What if there had never been a Mulder?

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What if there had never been a Mulder?

Post by Cassiopeia on Thu 19 Apr 2012, 15:54

I saw this post on SHODDS back on January 30, 2002 - and it's such an interesting question that could bring interesting thought to John Doggett that I figured I'd post the original question(s) here and see how we delve into the topic...

A friend asked me an interesting question today, and I thought I'd pose it
to the group.

Question: What if there had never been a Mulder in the show? What if they
had cast RP as 'Doggett' right from the start? 2 sceptics, no believers
but still XF cases to solve.

Would the show have been successful?

Would Doggett have become the believer before Scully?

Would we have loved him as much, if we didn't have the foil of Mulder to
compare him to?

Would we still be looking at him as the perfect man for Scully, if we'd not
had the experience of Mulder?

Would CC have written a romance quicker between D&S?

Would there be NO mystery to who/how is Lil' Wills daddy? :)

What say ye of the SHODDS? And do you have any other ideas of what might
have changed if Mulder had never been?

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Re: What if there had never been a Mulder?

Post by Cassiopeia on Thu 19 Apr 2012, 15:57

To help trigger thoughts, here are some replies from fellow SHODDSisters from back in the day smile

I don't even know where to begin, no Mulder ah?. Well,
i don't see how any of them (Dogget or Scully) would
have found TXF, when the both of them seem to be
really reticent to believe in anything that had
anything to do with the paranormal or other weird
stuff.
Before TXF they used to be very by the book, remember
Scully?, yes sir, no sir. And Doggett, the orders
follower. Before TXF they trusted those above them,
the system, they thought rules were unbreakable, and
they believed in the FBI's chain of command. They
really thought their superiors were there to protect
people, they didn't know anything about experiments
conducted by the military on innocent and unwarned
citizens. And if anybody had dropped that bomb on them
without warning they wouldn't have believed any of it.
To find TXF was necessary someone with an open mind
and Doggett and Scully were not very open minded in
the beginning, and our John is still not very willing
to believe.
So i say, Mulder was necessary, only a nutcase like
him could have found, believed in, and broken every
rule in the book for a proyect like TXF. I just can't
imagine JD or DS doing it.
Bye,
Luz.

> > A friend asked me an interesting question today, and
> > I thought I'd pose it
> > to the group.

And I've been thinking about this question. Seriously. And I haven't
read any previous replies to this, because I just got back.



> > Question: What if there had never been a Mulder in
> > the show? What if they had cast RP as 'Doggett' right from the
> > start? 2 sceptics, no believers but still XF cases to solve.

Firstly, you would need a mytharc. Think the X-Files, and then throw
the background out of the window.

You would not have a Samantha. You would not have a quest. There
would not be as much history, unless one of them (either Doggett or
Scully) had a past involved with the Consortium that they would
discover, a family history they didn't know about or didn't believe
in. That could be the running tension that would sustain the show
above the cases -- unless it was purely casefile in a 'Law and Order'
sense. (Only with deeper character development).

But then, there would be the possibility that because of that
connection, they would not be the same characters.

You could have a Shadow Government (my pet name for the Consortium)
but you'd need to find some way to involve these characters. What
would the questions be then?

Without a sceptic/believer tension, the cases would not be as
interesting because all you would see is one point of view. Science,
yes. Evidence, yes. But would science and evidence always take the
leap to the more fantastic answer when it something they're not
particularly interested in?

> > Would the show have been successful?

It would depend on its sustaining mytharc, the common threads. From
what I can think right now (and it's 3AM, I haven't slept and I just
got off a plane a few hours ago) it would be a completely different
show. With different motivations driving the story behind the scenes,
that sense of conspiracy and tension that shrouds.

> > Would Doggett have become the believer before
> > Scully?

Depends on what was thrown at them. Bringing in Luke's death?
Perhaps. Scully's abduction? Possibly. Depends on circumstance,
timing, and how well their characters develop to their partnership,
dynamic and cases.

> > Would we have loved him as much, if we didn't have
> > the foil of Mulder to
> > compare him to?

I would've, but that's just 'cause I love RP.

Y'know, I still love Mulder too. (Oy. Could you not hit me? )

> > Would we still be looking at him as the perfect man
> > for Scully, if we'd not
> > had the experience of Mulder?

I think if the show lasted a while in this format, I would have seen
enough created character flaws for us to think about that one
carefully.

> > Would CC have written a romance quicker between D&S?
> >

No, I think he would have stuck to his noromo stance long enough to
suck us all in and suddenly change his mind just when we were all
getting disillusioned.

It depends on their dynamic, which could be different given this
separate circumstance. They would have grown or been forced into
becoming different people, and if we were viewers we could have
responded differently.

Ay, I'm getting dizzy tryin' to work all this out.

> > Would there be NO mystery to who/how is Lil' Wills
> > daddy? :)

If the plot was exactly the same (skipping around the whole Mulder
family thing and placing it with, say, Scully's family instead), then
if CSM's sleazing around Scully, Morris Fletcher's still slapping her
on the ass, and she keeps running off to have blackouts and
convenient temporary off-camera sojourns for us to speculate about,
sure there'd be a mystery. :-)

> > What say ye of the SHODDS? And do you have any
> > other ideas of what might
> > have changed if Mulder had never been?

Oh... I think I've mentioned it all above. :-) I'm sure I've got
more, but I'll spare you the rest. It's just more character babble
and musings on mythological progression. Whatever.

~ Mischa
wayyyyy to wired to think

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